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I wonder how many people in public life and the general public could standup to what the expectations are to be considered ethical and moral. I am only thinking that the fact that we have so many people not measuring up may mean that the expectations of conduct and behavior are out of line with what is normal behavior in some circumstances. Holding anyone hostage is not appropriate, nor unwanted sexual advances. I am not as sure if father children out of wedlock should be a disappointment. Costa Rica has about a 57% out of wedlock births I read some place. If being morally straight is the desire of the majority and half the people are not following the guides there exisit a problem some place. When we do things that are against what it is we believe there is a problem for us. If the behavior we see is actually what the people believe is normal how do you respond to them? Do you change what is ethical and moral or do you continue to have people attempt doing things that 57% have failed in doing. What is moral today or in any particular place will change. Who decides what is moral? Not elected officals or religious leaders that may not be able to seperate what is best for organized religion and what is okay to subject small children to for an eternity. Just thinking. Can I be disappointed in Arnold? I think if you say anything other than that people look at you stange. I leave judgement to his family. He apparently made choices that many people think were poor. If circumstances were different he would be a strong contender for the Republican Nomination, not born in the States. Can a person make moral errors and still be a moral person or does this mean that all he accomplished was what. We Republicans are the best thing the Democrats have to assure who wins in 2012.

 

 

Ed

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Ha, Ed, I thought you were an R!

 

Don't know if you want a lefty like me to weigh in, but I think the issue with the Governator is the same thing that plagues some of the other big players in the Republican party: they make moral issues a priority, then those same issues later haunt them for that very reason. Last night on MSNBC, either Lawrence O'Donnell or Rachel Maddow played a clip of Schwarzenegger the candidate talking about unwed mothers -- and this at a time after he'd evidently fathered the child with the household staffer. If it was consensual, okay, fine, but don't then turn around and rail against single mothers! It's the hypocrisy (and the breathtaking arrogance) that gets me.

 

regards from blue, blue King County,

Gayle

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It's kinda like the CEO of a cigarette company saying that smoking is good for you the way they did not so many years ago. There is virtually no way to know what a politician really believes since their job one is to get elected. I could pick on any one of them at random, but let's pick on Gingrich--he has a two decade track record of supporting pretty much what Obama's health care program looks like, not to mention countless other Republicans over the years, but none of that matters now since it is the party's position that they should all oppose it since they collectively believe that will help them get elected--doesn't matter if it is good or bad--just gotta follow the party line. Oh, except look what happened when Gingrich called the Republican plan for Medicare what it was. Not sayin' Gingrich is right or wrong, just that we all know what's goin' on so it's not worth a whole lot of electrons in my mind--in fact I'm already over my daily limit.

 

What do they really care about?? Who knows, and unfortunately, who cares since job one is simply to get elected.

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Sort of wish something important would happen to distract the "news Media" who really cares if it is not an issue that is forced by the media, did he clim the child as an exemption?. Recently locally two young men were given life sentences. Both Black, this was front page. The presentation was that some how they were being done an injustice. If you read the story these two fine fellows killed a 17 year old and the baby she was carrying. The point that justice was served was not there. The point that a family member fainted at the harshness of the sentence was there, but nothing about a seventeen year old that died just walking the street. The media feeds us the diet we have come to like. I pray that this does not end with the terminator crying and asking the good people of the world to forgive him and maybe asking some of the bad guys that he terminated to please forgive. With the call for forgiveness from jimmy, Jim and Tiger he it would require an Oscar performance to be meaningful. And now we Black Republicans must decide if we join the call from our friend from Utah and pledge to get the country back on firm moral ground. Today I do not want to give. The economy is improving , the oil companies are making record profits, gas prices are going down $3.97 last week and $4.01 today and many of the students in the AG classes are unable to pass the end of year exam, not a complainer, but how was the play Mrs. Lincoln?

 

Ed

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I think the grand error is to equate public with private morality. The two domains really are different, and lots of good public figures have had their personal foibles. Of course, as sectorbets notes, when a politician (like Arnold) makes private morality a political issue, then fails to live up to that standard himself, you can't really let that politician slide.

 

BTW, as a lefty, I must ask if Arnold-the-immigrant didn't confuse his parties when he got off the boat. To my mind he has always fit better in the contemporary Democratic Party than the Republican Party--and if he had just been a Democratic he wouldn't have been as pressured to embrace silly family values things he obviously didn't believe. He must have just confused his parties.

 

More seriously, Arnold harkens back to a former time when there were a lot more moderate Republicans than there are today. I miss those folks. Arnold and only a handful like him remain IMO the best hope for the Republican Party, and thus indirectly for the country. Politicians after all have to work together across the aisle, and my sense is that even lefties can work with a guy like Arnold. I wish there were more Republicans like him.

 

Oh well, another sex scandal. Counting Osama's enthusiasm for pornography, this makes three this past week. Public figures fall almost everyday on this issue, which strikes me as a mistake.

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