Nicaragua taking a Costa Rican island

[expat99]

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Edited September 18, 2011 by expat99

[eleanorcr]

I don't think your characterization is strictly accurate. Pastora is not the head of an army invading Costa Rica but is in charge of the dredging project.

 

There are apparently three issues: One - the dredging party putting dredged material on the island of Calero (they say, "there's nothing there"), the "invasion" of a nearby farm and the claim that it is Nicaraguan, the environmental damage possible as a result of the dredging.

 

Using this as an example of the "evils" of socialism is really a stretch!

 

Stay tuned for more info --- I live about 40 miles from the Nicaraguan border so I wonder if I will have to head that way with my machete!

[Greg Smelser]

I don't think your characterization is strictly accurate. Pastora is not the head of an army invading Costa Rica but is in charge of the dredging project.

 

There are apparently three issues: One - the dredging party putting dredged material on the island of Calero (they say, "there's nothing there"), the "invasion" of a nearby farm and the claim that it is Nicaraguan, the environmental damage possible as a result of the dredging.

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Using this as an example of the "evils" of socialism is really a stretch!

 

Stay tuned for more info --- I live about 40 miles from the Nicaraguan border so I wonder if I will have to head that way with my machete!

 

We have nothing to worry about with you gaurding the border Eleanor.

A link with some info.

http://www.nacion.com/2010-10-22/ElPais/UltimaHora/ElPais2564467.aspx

[eleanorcr]

Thanks, Greg, I can't decide whether to take my machete or just a big ole stick! Maybe I will just load up 4 or 5 of the dogs hanging around my house and let them loose on the "invaders."

 

I really hope this doesn't get ugly - it has the potential to do so. I would keep checking with La Nacion -- they seem to have the most accurate and up to date info and take a look at the mid-day news as well.

[costaricafinca]

Updated info now on Insidecostarica

[ciclista]

I found a copy online of the International Court Ruling from 2009. It can be found here.

 

After reading through the document it's clear that Ortega has nothing to stand on and will surely be sent off the island. In the meantime he is counting on the continued factual ignorance of his subjects to continue the charade, at least until he becomes president for life.

 

Ortega's claims that CR lost on virtually every point is another one of his lies. In fact, all but two of the twenty or so rulings by the court are in CR's favor, except that CR is not allowed to have any police patrols on the river.

 

Ortega's claims that CR is allowing drug traffic on the river is ridiculous considering the fact that two of the court's rulings state that CR is not allowed to have any police patrols on the river, and they are not allowed to even move police officers or other officials to any point along the river except with prior notice to Nicaragua. The text below is quoted from the document...

 

"(The Court) (h) Unanimously, Finds that Costa Rica does not have the right of navigation on the San Juan river with vessels

carrying out police functions.

 

(The Court) (i) Unanimously,

Finds that Costa Rica does not have the right of navigation on the San Juan river for the

purposes of the exchange of personnel of the police border posts along the right bank of the river

and of the re-supply of these posts, with official equipment, including service arms and

ammunition"

 

 

The maps and descriptions in the court rulings clearly show that the island belongs to CR.

 

It's interesting that back in 1914 Nicaragua signed a document with the USA that allowed the USA perpetual rights to develop a canal between the two oceans along the San Juan river. CR objected to this because they were not consulted about this, and apparently the agreement between the USA and Nicaragua was not allowed.

[ciclista]

So let's wait this out and be careful about who we call a liar.

 

He is a liar, a bully, and a thief. The fact that you can't accept that means you're unable to accept the facts about what has already happened, never mind what he'll do in the future. It is ironic and amusing how much your words about Danny O's activities sound very similar to those from people who support(ed) Dick Cheney.

[waynei]

CR best forget about that disputed property. I just returned from 4days in Nic (thanks again CR imigracion) and EVERYONE believes the land belongs to Nic. My lady friend and her friends, whom detest Ortega are 100percent sure this is Nic land. Their reasoning, best i could understand their animated spanish, is that at one time most of the Northern part of CR belonged to Nic until CR stole it. I don't know whether or not this is true but they believe it. For me, Sunday mass was the exclamation point on this subject. I had wondered why the catholic church was with Ortega during news conferences (my hostel room had TV). So that's it. Nic is gonna keep it unless someone takes it from them and we all know CR brags to be a pacifist country. Now they get to pay the penalty for that joke. One's gotta believe this will cement Ortega's win in the next election just as it will help Laura win next time.

[TicaBeanQueen]

CR best forget about that disputed property. I just returned from 4days in Nic (thanks again CR imigracion) and EVERYONE believes the land belongs to Nic. My lady friend and her friends, whom detest Ortega are 100percent sure this is Nic land. Their reasoning, best i could understand their animated spanish, is that at one time most of the Northern part of CR belonged to Nic until CR stole it. I don't know whether or not this is true but they believe it. For me, Sunday mass was the exclamation point on this subject. I had wondered why the catholic church was with Ortega during news conferences (my hostel room had TV). So that's it. Nic is gonna keep it unless someone takes it from them and we all know CR brags to be a pacifist country. Now they get to pay the penalty for that joke. One's gotta believe this will cement Ortega's win in the next election just as it will help Laura win next time.

 

It would be interesting to hear about the sources of your Nicaraguan friends' comments about C.R. "stealing" what now is known as "most of the Northern part of Costa Rica". Maybe what they're talking about is the Annexation of the Partido de Nicoya (current province of Guanacaste) on the 25 of July 1824, when in a unanimous decision the population of the area DECLARED THEMSELVES Costa Rican. And by the way, the fact that Ticos did not go "asking to get them" is implicit in how to this day fellow Ticos from Guanacaste are known as "GIVEN AWAY Nicas".

[waynei]

It would be interesting to hear about the sources of your Nicaraguan friends' comments about C.R. "stealing" what now is known as "most of the Northern part of Costa Rica". Maybe what they're talking about is the Annexation of the Partido de Nicoya (current province of Guanacaste) on the 25 of July 1824, when in a unanimous decision the population of the area DECLARED THEMSELVES Costa Rican. And by the way, the fact that Ticos did not go "asking to get them" is implicit in how to this day fellow Ticos from Guanacaste are known as "GIVEN AWAY Nicas".

I suspect you may have hit upon a large part of the Nica's sense of past transgressions. Although the conversation became fast and furious i repeatedly heard Guanacaste. Since i am only a casual friend it seemed best i leave the subject alone, and did not pursue it even when my friend tried to explain in more detail when we were alone. Would be interesting to know what is taught in the Nic schools concerning that unanimous decision. Perhaps it's kind of like individual states suing the Fed. Govt. over unwanted mandated health care?

[ciclista]

...the population of the area DECLARED THEMSELVES Costa Rican.

 

I wonder how many of those stolen Nicas have left Guanacaste so they could go to Nicaragua. How many Nicas have since chosen to live in Guanacaste instead of Nicaragua?

[TicaBeanQueen]

I suspect you may have hit upon a large part of the Nica's sense of past transgressions. Although the conversation became fast and furious i repeatedly heard Guanacaste. Since i am only a casual friend it seemed best i leave the subject alone, and did not pursue it even when my friend tried to explain in more detail when we were alone. Would be interesting to know what is taught in the Nic schools concerning that unanimous decision. Perhaps it's kind of like individual states suing the Fed. Govt. over unwanted mandated health care?

I used the wrong word (unanimous), I meant the majority of people came to the decision that they wanted to declare themselves Costa Rican.

[costaricafinca]

BTW waynei did immigration give you a 30 or 90 day visa this time?

[waynei]

BTW waynei did immigration give you a 30 or 90 day visa this time?

Most gracious of you for asking crfinica. The Ticabus had about a dozen english speaking passengers, including Australia, German ((spoke ingles), England and USA.

After the first handful of folks got their stamp, immigration asked someone for their outbound ticket from CR. Then every nonnational had to produce the onward proof and at least 3 folks had to buy a ticket (just happens to be a bank at the border, fancy that). One person claimed he had ticket but not with her, the German didn't have ticket or money to buy one so the Australian lent him money. I was smart lucky enough to have brought my proof and even though the board date extended beyond 90 days i got a stamp .

The guy left the number of days BLANK. Gotta believe he was more interested in inflicting as much pain as he could to the next victim and didn't bother with the small print. Actually i had such a good time I'm thinking of going back for Christmas.

?PuraVida?

waynei

[Igor]

Most gracious of you for asking crfinica. The Ticabus had about a dozen english speaking passengers, including Australia, German ((spoke ingles), England and USA.

After the first handful of folks got their stamp, immigration asked someone for their outbound ticket from CR. Then every nonnational had to produce the onward proof and at least 3 folks had to buy a ticket (just happens to be a bank at the border, fancy that). One person claimed he had ticket but not with her, the German didn't have ticket or money to buy one so the Australian lent him money. I was smart lucky enough to have brought my proof and even though the board date extended beyond 90 days i got a stamp .

The guy left the number of days BLANK. Gotta believe he was more interested in inflicting as much pain as he could to the next victim and didn't bother with the small print. Actually i had such a good time I'm thinking of going back for Christmas.

?PuraVida?

waynei

Would ticos curb their pride and ask for the USA mediation?

Do Costa Ricans actively discuss the issue and how it affects their attitude toward gringoes?

Not that I am advocating USA foreign policy, but Nicaragua doesn't look like a stable and safe neighbour.