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Anyone have any first hand info in regards to.....Costa Rican government officials, including President Laura Chinchilla, Vice President Luis Lieberman Ginsburg, Security Minister Jose Maria Tijerino, counter-narcotics Commissioner Mauricio Boraschi, and the Costa Rican Congress agreed to Operation Joint Patrol, which will see 7,000 US Marines, 46 mainly U.S. Coast Guard vessels, and 200 helicopters and 10 combat aircraft descend on Costa Rica, which does not have a military force, from July 1 to December 31. I've read on some other forums that the Ticos are highly upset with this spreading of empire and do not wish it upon CR,my plans for retirement in CR may be changing as I really hope this isnt happening as I wish to escape America.

http://www.infowars.com/coast-guard-dispatching-ships-and-personnel-to-costa-rica-to-threaten-nicaragua/

 

 

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Yes, you can easily find news and analysis on-line in the country's daily periodical La Nación in Spanish or AMCostaRica in English and elsewhere which give a more balanced report. Not all 46 ships will "descend" on Costa Rica at the same time. Probably no more than 3 to 5 ships will visit at a time. And probably not all 46 ships will even make a port call here. There is no military base being planned here. There are some Costa Ricans who oppose the authorization and want others to believe it is some kind of invasion planned to take over Costa Rica by militarizing the counter-narcotics trafficking operations here. That's not going to happen any more than Hugo Chavez is going to have his puppet government in place any time soon but some are hoping for that. If you want to stick with the left wing extremist radical socialist loving nut job propaganda outlets well that's your choice. But then don't complain about being misinformed.

 

 

If you want to retire in Costa Rica, there's a group and a protest to join here for anyone and everyone. Don't worry.

 

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Yes, certain "news" outlets, which also have kind things to say every day about Hugo Chavez (aka Castro's protege), are talking as if all of CR is against this, blah, blah, blah, but the vote in the CR legislature was 31-8 in favor. You can draw conclusions from all of this.

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Anyone have any first hand info in regards to.....Costa Rican government officials, including President Laura Chinchilla, Vice President Luis Lieberman Ginsburg, Security Minister Jose Maria Tijerino, counter-narcotics Commissioner Mauricio Boraschi, and the Costa Rican Congress agreed to Operation Joint Patrol, which will see 7,000 US Marines, 46 mainly U.S. Coast Guard vessels, and 200 helicopters and 10 combat aircraft descend on Costa Rica, which does not have a military force, from July 1 to December 31. I've read on some other forums that the Ticos are highly upset with this spreading of empire and do not wish it upon CR,my plans for retirement in CR may be changing as I really hope this isnt happening as I wish to escape America.

http://www.infowars.com/coast-guard-dispatching-ships-and-personnel-to-costa-rica-to-threaten-nicaragua/

I've been here almost 8 (eight) years - I personnaly would not let this stop me from retiring in Costa Rica. Costa Rica is not about to change!!

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Yes, you can easily find news and analysis on-line in the country's daily periodical La Nación in Spanish or AMCostaRica in English and elsewhere which give a more balanced report. Not all 46 ships will "descend" on Costa Rica at the same time. Probably no more than 3 to 5 ships will visit at a time. And probably not all 46 ships will even make a port call here. There is no military base being planned here. There are some Costa Ricans who oppose the authorization and want others to believe it is some kind of invasion planned to take over Costa Rica by militarizing the counter-narcotics trafficking operations here. That's not going to happen any more than Hugo Chavez is going to have his puppet government in place any time soon but some are hoping for that. If you want to stick with the left wing extremist radical socialist loving nut job propaganda outlets well that's your choice. But then don't complain about being misinformed.

 

 

If you want to retire in Costa Rica, there's a group and a protest to join here for anyone and everyone. Don't worry.

 

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Currently, the CR Coast Guard can do nothing to stop drugs from being moved along the coasts of CR. IF the CR CG boat has fuel available, their boats are far too slow to do any more than wave to the smugglers as they speed past and away from them. Some of those drug-carrying boats land in CR where the drugs are offloaded into trucks and warehouses in CR.

 

The ridiculous assertions that the US wants to take over CR, or invade with it's military is unfounded. For one thing, there are no natural resources in CR that the US wants, or labor for technology and agriculture that US companies don't already have relatively free access to.

 

One Tico told me today that he would love to see a greater US military presence here because the Coast Guard, and to a large extent the police, are helpless against any kind of serious criminal activity.

 

As for claims that the US will use CR to launch military attacks against Nicaragua, that's just more of the typical paranoid ranting from the (essentially) dictator in Nicaragua, and similar from the same in Chavez. The US could place ships off the coast of Nicaragua and do whatever they choose, regardless of CR. But...they don't.

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To add to the rumor mill - I was sent this explanation of the US forces in CR - Russian foreign military intelligence directorate (GRU) sources are reporting in the Kremlin today that NATO has ordered over 7,000 US Marines to begin deploying in the Central American Nation of Costa Rica [map 2nd photo left] over fears the disastrous oil spill in the Gulf of Mexico is about to rupture the fracture zone lying between the North American and Caribbean Plates and potentially unleashing upon the America’s a catastrophic earthquake.

 

ROFLMAO

cindy

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...Russian foreign military intelligence directorate (GRU) sources are reporting in the Kremlin today that NATO has ordered over 7,000 US Marines to begin deploying in the Central American Nation of Costa Rica over fears the disastrous oil spill in the Gulf of Mexico is about to rupture the fracture zone lying between the North American and Caribbean Plates and potentially unleashing upon the America’s a catastrophic earthquake.

Well Cindy,

 

Let's keep our fingers crossed that someone adapts this scenario into a Tony Award-Winning Musical Comedy . . .

 

What should it be named? . . . Maybe 'GO WITH THE FLOW' ?

 

Hey, if they made musicals named CATS, and MISS SAIGON, anything is possible!

 

[ Shakes head... ]

 

Paul M.

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Hey, if it discourages the narcotics traffickers, I'm all for it. But really, I don't think its a jump start for yet another contra run on Nicaragua, or an invasion of Venezuela. Per some military folk I have talked too, the USA is way too over-stretched as it is in the Mid East. We just do not have the resources now. Don't forget that we STILL have over 100,000 troops, etc stationed in Iraq. Uh, What,they are still there? YES. Just not actively patrolling the citys now.

DJ

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Conspiracy theories are convenient because no matter the facts and reality, a conspiracy theory is still good fun for those who like to entertain themselves in this way.

 

 

The Pentagon announced today the formation of a new 500 man elite fighting unit called the U.S. REDNECK SPECIAL FORCES (USRSF)

 

These Kentucky, West Virginia, Mississippi, Missouri, Arkansas, Louisiana, Alabama, Georgia, Texas, Tennessee and North & South Carolina boys will be dropped into Iraq and have been given only the following five facts about terrorists:

 

1. The season opened today.

2. There is no limit.

3. They taste just like chicken.

4. They don't like beer, pickups, country music, or Jesus.

5. They are DIRECTLY RESPONSIBLE for the death of Dale Earnhardt.

 

This mess in Iraq should be over IN A WEEK.

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And the Pentagon will announce this morning a special detachment of female Special Forces troops, all with PMS, for an extended desert assignment. Not only are they more aggressive than regular troops but they also retain water.

 

Now . . . Can we move on?

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The ridiculous assertions that the US wants to take over CR, or invade with it's military is unfounded. For one thing, there are no natural resources in CR that the US wants, or labor for technology and agriculture that US companies don't already have relatively free access.

 

As for claims that the US will use CR to launch military attacks against Nicaragua, that's just more of the typical paranoid ranting from the (essentially) dictator in Nicaragua, and similar from the same in Chavez.

 

Call me an outlier, but I have joined the Tico opposition on this one. Granted, without any new material development I doubt that the opposition will prevail, and arguably it shouldn't. Surely it's no big deal to have the war ships go from international to CR waters and let some soldiers off for a good drunk and some whores.

 

The issue though is the slippery slope. You all act like the US military has always been friendly to and respectful of CR's pacifism. Not true. Arias had to kick the US military out of CR during the 1980s against White House threats and insults. Actually, Arias was brave, and risked a lot. Well, sure, the US doesn't seem today to have any intention of establishing bases in CR. However, it really is opposed to Nicaragua, has been a little glib about the Honduran coup, and this whole Plan Colombia thing does involve some saber rattling against Venezuela. And let's not forget that the US invaded Panama in 1989-1990. Clearly the US has military interests in the region, and has tried to use CR for these purposes in the not-too-distant past. So sure, some soldiers on furlough hardly mean a military base, but in the hullabaloo who is going to know? It wasn't as if the US asked permission the last time it had bases in CR.

 

My view is that CR should draw the line in the sand now, before it becomes a problem. It sounds harsh, and maybe is, but history teaches better sooner than later.

 

And, as the opposition points out, of what possible value to CR is the US's "war on drugs"? The country has been warmongering on this for decades and the drug problem has only gotten worse. More innocents are killed today than ever before. Obviously the problem is that the US refuses to deal with its demand problem and instead prefers to attack the supply side in Latin America. Well, this US military strategy is a complete and utter failure. Why the hell would CR welcome the failures to shore?

 

I wouldn't. I would say, "Thank you very much for all your help, and you are welcome to visit at tourists, but please, we don't want your military. We are a pacifist country and want to keep it at that. Fair?"

 

And personally I would specifically turn away that damn medical ship. So let's get this straight: The US wants to send a Navy ship to CR to provide free health care to the poor CR peasants? Well, get this: CR already has a health care system that rivals the US's in outcomes, and if the US Navy wanted to supply free health care to people who need it they might go to Detroit. (I think there is even a Great Lake nearby.) The ONLY REASON the ship is coming here is to provide advertising for the US military, trying to persuade the natives that the US military is actually humanitarian rather than, hey, a military.

 

Well, gringos, note this is where your tax dollars are going. A damn ship of military medical personnel wants to stop in CR and provide free health care, even though that already exists in CR, and then of course the ship will leave with no follow-up care. Meanwhile, poor suckers in Detroit and Birmingham get none. And somehow the US has money for 46 war ships to maybe dock in CR for R&R. Last I heard the country was "bogged down" in wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. Hmmm, but there are 46 MORE war ships floating around for a "war on drugs"? It would appear that the US is a bit of a militaristic empire, wouldn't you say? This is a lot of ships to have left over, and last I heard there was some stink in Japan about the US soldiers there too--which is not to mention Korea and Europe and Africa and so forth. Now, what part of "empire" is not understood?

 

Personally, I would tell the US politely that I prefer not to have their soldiers in CR. It's safer for CR this way. Sure, it's probably nothing, but this is a dangerous bunch to welcome and the US military doesn't have such a great track record here. I mean, despite what gringos tell themselves, name one time that the US military has ever helped CR. Right, you can't do it, because there hasn't been one time. The US military has been a problem for CR, but never once helped. In dunno, if I were Tico I would say "no thanks," politely of course!

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And personally I would specifically turn away that damn medical ship. So let's get this straight: The US wants to send a Navy ship to CR to provide free health care to the poor CR peasants? Well, get this: CR already has a health care system that rivals the US's in outcomes,

 

On a per patient basis, for people who actually have real access to health care (and there are places in CR where it is not practical, or the care is so poor that it's essentially unavailable), that is simply not true, especially for serious medical issues. And do you really think, that when a person has to spend many hours standing in line, and weeks and months (or never) to get access to care for more serious issues, that they might tend to not seek out care at all, or that the lengthy delays cause still more problems?

 

Mi Tica novia's family has unfortunately been the "victims" of the CR health care system several times, and when a sister died last year in part because the system couldn't provide her with sufficient medical care, e.g. "We think that huge lump in your side is not a recurrence of the cancer you had one year ago...", and, "Oh sorry, you can't get your chemo this week or next because the machine is 'broken'...", or for a niece that has been in the hospital for more than a week now being "diagnosed and tested" for bone cancer, with no biopsies at all..., and to hear another family member who is studying in the medical field here in CR talk about how little research or expertise is available within the CR medical system, and the reluctance of CR medical "experts" to travel to the US and Europe to learn more...Well, let's just say that when it comes to treating anything serious, my confidence in the CR health system is somewhat below that of the US health systems.

 

And just maybe the US military could provide care to some CR's in a more expedient manner?

 

Regardless, I tend to agree with you that the medical care aspect of this "mission" is probably superfluous except for any "goodwill" it will provide.

 

It's convenient that people criticize the US's role in the Honduras coup mess, yet the US was trying to stay out of it, and was criticized for that, and then for getting more involved, yet Arias gets the credit and little of similar complaint for trying to solve it.

 

I guess it depends on what country is shown on your passport, or what some other US President and military did in the past, which by the way, was the subject of significant criticism in the US and should not be construed as the opinion of all, or even most Americans, nor that of the persons running the show these days. Perhaps we should also assume that Laura is just as corrupt as her predecessors from 10+ years ago? I am sure there are many Ticos that do. Are they the same people who think the US wants to invade CR?

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