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Good Morning All,

 

I think sending Javier Zavaleta's suggested email is CRITICAL. He and I spoke about this idea last week, and he forwarded the draft to us as well. Understand that this law should NOT affect those that already live here with residency, nor those in process under the current law. However these amounts could affect the possibility of others arriving, and would affect the future of the economy negatively.

 

I am trying to call a Press Conference, and we will be going straight to the legislature to see what can be done. This is the SAME fight we had 4 years ago, and I still have the data we need to try and correct this, BUT WE NEED YOUR SUPPORT

 

Sincerely yours

Ryan Piercy

www.arcr.net

 

 

Estimados Senores

 

Escribo por este medio para expresar mi gran preocupación con el texto sustitutivo de los Artículos 78 y 81 a la Ley de Migracion y Extranjeria, expediente No. 16.594, publicado en La Gaceta el pasado 27 de octubre del 2008.

 

Articulo 78 requeriría que extranjeros retirados que quieran aplicar por residencia bajo el Programa de Pensionados comprueben que disfrutan de una pensión minima de US$2.000 por mes. Considero que este requisito es tan alto que efectivamente acabaría con el programa de pensionados en Costa Rica. La Asociacion de Residentes de Costa Rica tiene informacion para confirmar que estes montos son mas altos que la mayoria de pensiones posibles, inclusivo los del gobierno de ESTADOS UNIDOS. Solicito atentamente que retengan el requisito de probar una pensión de $600 por mes, ahora en efecto.

 

Articulos 78 & 81 requeriría que extranjeros rentistas comprueben que disfrutan de rentas mínimas de US$5.000 por mes. Considero que este requisito es tan alto que efectivamente acabaría con el programa de rentistas en Costa Rica. Solicito atentamente que retengan el requisito de rentas de $1.000 por mes para rentistas solteros, y que cambien el requisito a US$1.500 por mes por familia, incluyendo el rentista, el cónyuge e hijos.

 

Señores Diputados, el impacto en la economía y la sociedad costarricense seria terrible si aprobaran el texto sustitutivo en la forma publicada en La Gaceta. Solicito que implementen lo aquí sugerido para que Costa Rica continúe siendo un país que recibe a extranjeros decentes con los brazos abiertos.

 

Sinceramente,

 

email to

 

ocorrales@asamblea.go.cr; squesada@asamblea.go.cr;unez@asamblea.go.cr; lvillaloboss@asamblea.go.cr; asalom@asamblea.go.cr; mnuneza@asamblea.go.cr; ggonzalezb@asamblea.go.cr; efonseca@asamblea.go.cr; jmerino@asamblea.go.cr; fpacheco@asamblea.go.cr

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hello Ryan,

 

I sent an email as detailed and received notification of one delivery failure to fpacheco@asamblea.go.cr

Interestingly, it stated: "X-Display-Name: Francisco Antonio Pacheco Fernandez" which would indicate to me that it was a valid email address?

 

Rick

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hello Ryan,

 

I sent an email as detailed and received notification of one delivery failure to fpacheco@asamblea.go.cr

Interestingly, it stated: "X-Display-Name: Francisco Antonio Pacheco Fernandez" which would indicate to me that it was a valid email address?

 

Rick

 

Francisco Antonio Pacheco Fernandez's mailbox is full. The error code was 5.2.2.

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I sent the letter today.

 

Olga Marta Corrales Sanchez also returned undeliverable...mailbox full.

 

Thanks

 

This is absolutely hilarious.

 

First of all very few Ticos ever read their email.

 

Secondly in most third world countries a letter writing campaign is the preferred method of getting legislator's attention.

 

Thirdly running out of mailbox space is so typically shortsighted. Can the Tico government be that cheap? Is this on purpose so they don't have to read your stuff?

 

Amazing.

 

(is that a fat lady I head singing)

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not wanting to tip on anybody's toes, but I'd consider flooding ones mailbox through group-action just SPAMMING and as the mailbox owner with a little bit of knowledge I'd give each verified sender a "decent" reply-mail. Aren't there way more efficient, less-annoying and upscale ways to raise attention than that ? Are the associations involved that short on money not to afford decent ads in LaNacion etc. ? Have you prepared *arguments* other than "I won't be able to live here" ? Like for example a list of money made available to the CR market ? Were you able to say "during my 5 yrs stay in CR I as a customer have by now infused the sum of US$xxx in local ferreteria businesses, US$xxx in food..." ?

"Not wanting" something is one issue, but argueing about it is something I am still missing.

 

do not get me wrong, I strongly think that the proposed legislation is way off (well.. the 600/1000 were as well, if you are honest). But I'd like to critisize the way and depth of dealing with it.

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Yes, the ARCR is already preparing a media campaign to first get the word out (once again) to the Costa Rican community, to be initiated with a press conference, then a press release to various organizations in Costa Rica, and finally direct-approach to the legislative members once we have a worthy news item.

 

The email idea is to start to get across to them the idea that this is an important topic....

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Aren't there way more efficient, less-annoying and upscale ways to raise attention than that ? Are the associations involved that short on money not to afford decent ads in LaNacion etc. ? Have you prepared *arguments* other than "I won't be able to live here" ? Like for example a list of money made available to the CR market ? Were you able to say "during my 5 yrs stay in CR I as a customer have by now infused the sum of US$xxx in local ferreteria businesses, US$xxx in food..." ?

"Not wanting" something is one issue, but argueing about it is something I am still missing.

 

Well, with the help of two Ticos (since my Spanish is weak), I have written an op-ed that will go to La Nación tomorrow. So yes, there are others ways. And other arguments. Mine for example is the opposite of what you describe. I do NOT believe that expat dollars warrants CR welcoming foreigners, and in fact believe this only plays into the hand of those who want to change the law in the proposed direction. If expats are only good for money, then why not get only richer expats? I would like to challenge this equation of expats = money, because I don't agree with it. I believe that expats who think that spending money in CR justifies their presence should be excluded.

 

But while I can do this in English, this is my first attempt in Spanish, so I don't know whether it will fly.

 

This said, we all try to do our part, and my view is that in reality clogging email boxes with generic opinions is generally the most effective. It tells the lawmakers that there is a different opinion and a constuency for it. This works politically, and I'll send the suggested email or a version of it myself. Plus, the change requested is really minor from their standpoint. It amounts to changing a couple digits in a couple numbers in a 22-page law, small stuff really.

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Ryan - I do like that approach.

 

Kenn - fair point within the argumentation "why not get richer expats". Only argument against this would be an equation: 10.000 x 1000 is more than 500 x 6000

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For those of us that are challenged by the Spanish language, would it be possible to have this email in English? Please, dear readers, don’t jump on me for my poor Spanish, it is not for lack of trying (Rosetta Stone, Visual Link, and more). My brain is simply not wired well. (-: Best to all, Dick Leatherman

 

 

Good Morning All,

 

I think sending Javier Zavaleta's suggested email is CRITICAL. He and I spoke about this idea last week, and he forwarded the draft to us as well. Understand that this law should NOT affect those that already live here with residency, nor those in process under the current law. However these amounts could affect the possibility of others arriving, and would affect the future of the economy negatively.

 

I am trying to call a Press Conference, and we will be going straight to the legislature to see what can be done. This is the SAME fight we had 4 years ago, and I still have the data we need to try and correct this, BUT WE NEED YOUR SUPPORT

 

Sincerely yours

Ryan Piercy

www.arcr.net

 

 

 

 

email to

 

ocorrales@asamblea.go.cr; squesada@asamblea.go.cr;unez@asamblea.go.cr; lvillaloboss@asamblea.go.cr; asalom@asamblea.go.cr; mnuneza@asamblea.go.cr; ggonzalezb@asamblea.go.cr; efonseca@asamblea.go.cr; jmerino@asamblea.go.cr; fpacheco@asamblea.go.cr

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For those of us that are challenged by the Spanish language, would it be possible to have this email in English? Please, dear readers, don’t jump on me for my poor Spanish, it is not for lack of trying (Rosetta Stone, Visual Link, and more). My brain is simply not wired well. (-: Best to all, Dick Leatherman

 

Hi Richard

 

English versions by Laura K and others are posted on here

 

http://forums.arcr.net/index.php?showtopic=3890

 

Rich

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Good Morning All,

 

I think sending Javier Zavaleta's suggested email is CRITICAL. He and I spoke about this idea last week, and he forwarded the draft to us as well. Understand that this law should NOT affect those that already live here with residency, nor those in process under the current law. However these amounts could affect the possibility of others arriving, and would affect the future of the economy negatively.

 

I am trying to call a Press Conference, and we will be going straight to the legislature to see what can be done. This is the SAME fight we had 4 years ago, and I still have the data we need to try and correct this, BUT WE NEED YOUR SUPPORT

 

Sincerely yours

Ryan Piercy

www.arcr.net

 

 

 

 

email to

 

ocorrales@asamblea.go.cr; squesada@asamblea.go.cr;unez@asamblea.go.cr; lvillaloboss@asamblea.go.cr; asalom@asamblea.go.cr; mnuneza@asamblea.go.cr; ggonzalezb@asamblea.go.cr; efonseca@asamblea.go.cr; jmerino@asamblea.go.cr; fpacheco@asamblea.go.cr

I want to give you that support---how would you like it? I've already sent the Zavaleta email to these addresses (a few bounced back). What else can I do? Ticobell

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{ Do you have clients that are foreigners? Are they important for your business?

 

Are you aware of a new immigration proposal that will prevent a vast majority from coming? Is this wise at a time when the global economic situation appears so weak?

 

Please read about our initiative, and lend us your support….

 

PLEASE EMAIL YOUR CONCERNS, OPINIONS, OR SIMPLY A LETTER OF SUPPORT TO US AT admin@arcr.net }

 

The new immigration proposal has requirements that most, for technical reasons, would not be able to meet. The intention is to increase the category of Pensionado from $600/month to $2000 peer month required. For Rentistas from $1000/month to $5000/month requirement. With both of these groups at an unreasonable 500% increase, what would be the new financial requirement for Investors? We don’t yet know.

 

The government is saying that these numbers are “easy to attain”. The ARCR works with these groups, abd we belive that to be entirely false.

 

A typical pensionado here has a pension of around $1200 per month, and information supplied by Social Security in the USA, their Average Pension is currently $1090 per month. In our opinion, the USA has amongst the highest pensions paid in the world, and for that we fail to see how $2000 could be easy to obtain? We are also certain that the Canadian pensions, another large group of retirees here, are only around US$600-$700 per month.

 

Yes, it is true that these person spend more here, averaging around $2000 per month in expenses, the problem is that like most retirees around the world, this comes not only from pension, but also their savings and investments from years of labouring. To obtain the status the requirement is ONLY proof that you pension is high enough.

 

For Rentistas, the only allowable proof is a letter from a Financial Institution that you will receive the required amount over 5 years. For many to put $60,000 has been somewhat acceptable trade-off to live here. The new requirement would now be $300,000 tied up in a bank… at low interest. Most people find this to be ridiculous, and simple insanity to tie up so much at such a poor return. Maybe 2 or 3% annually. Most simply would go elsewhere, along with their investment capital.

 

And does it really now cost that much to live in Costa Rica? Is it reasonable?

 

How much will now be required by Investors??? And do individuals with this much money really need to move to Costa Rica?

 

The government has also said that this is for reasons of National Security. Does this mean then that those with less than the new requirement are undesirable? Or criminal? We cannot agree.

 

Anyone who has a pension, by design of having one, is indirect proof that they have labored for 20+ years to receive one. This to us demonstrates that they likely then were normal upstanding members of their community. Furthermore, migracion requires proof of criminal history from their country, and supposedly the police here do a background check via fingerprints. Are these methods not more correct in determining the desirability of those who wish to move here?

 

WE FEEL THS WILL NOT ONLY STOP MANY FROM COMING, BUT THE MERE PROPOSAL IS ALREADY SENDING A MESSAGE INTERNATIONALLY THAT COSTA RICA DOESN”T WANT FOREIGNERS HERE which is not true. Though many want to disagree with us, we have received communications to this effect, and this will affect both Tourism and Foreign Companies from coming with new jobs. We know also because this happened before when the proposal was made in 2004.

 

How will this affect Costa Rica? The government feels there will be no economic impact. We disagree.

 

JOBS: These people who relocate here hire people. From help at home, to gardeners, taxis, and so on. Some even start up small businesses, creating more employment in the private sector.

 

REAL ESTATE: Just ask a local realtor or developer, how much of the sales of new homes and condos are to foreign investment. Less sales… less construction…

And again, this will mean less jobs in construction, less sales in hardware and building supplies, and so on.

 

INVESTMENT: Oh, ok. A foreigner can no longer move here, the sentiment projected is that they are no longer wanted here, but they will go ahead anyway and send down investment capital, or put money with the banks here? Why? It is not likely to happen that way.

 

TOURISM: That same feeling, not being wanted, will affect tourism. If you don’t want foreigners here, likely they will comply by not coming. In addition, those that live here often have friend and family visiting every year. Our survey showed this to be 5 visitors on average per resident. That adds up to HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF LESS TOURISTS that will go visit these residents who have to move to other countries.

 

INTERNATIONAL CORPORATIONS: The same perception has caused, and we have knowledge of specific instances, has also deterred already some major companies from opening offices here, costing again hundreds or thousands of potential new jobs from being created. This will have greater impact as this perception gets out to other countries and businesses.

 

IF YOU HAVE ANY FEEDBACK, PLEASE SEND US YOUR EMAIL ASAP.

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Hi Ryan,

 

Good post! Is there anyway that your post and others could be translated into Spanish and put into the Spanish papers for the Ticos to read?

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