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Discussion – Pledge of Allegiance & School Prayer

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Two items mentioned in this thread but not discussed (Pledge of Allegiance & School Prayer) I do have a brief comment on.

1) School Prayer : The U.S. Constitution is very definitive with respect to Separation of Church and State. It is not a document to be bent a little for one's convince and or beliefs. People always have options of their convictions: a) say a family prayer together before school. B) Teach your child to take a moment in school to bow his head and recite a prayer in silence.

 

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Ron

Ron,

 

 

It was the tradition of the Continental Congress to open with prayers and continues today in the Senate and House of Representatives.

 

In the days of the Continental Congress proclamations were made for fasting, prayer, and thanksgiving.

 

The system of the Congressional Chaplaincy (to officiate religious matters such as opening prayers, adding a dimension of faith such as praying to God in Congressional affairs and giving thanks to God, providing religious services to members of Congress and their families, etc. ) was officially begun with the first Congress in 1789. It was a paid position. In other words the state pays for the religious services of the Congressional Chaplain.

 

Congress itself elects and pays for the chaplain under the authority (as claimed by our elected Congress) of the same constitution which supposedly outlaws such, and not to mention that the document in question was written by the same bunch of guys who “theoretically” were against the close relationship between church and state which they supported then and who’s present day successors support in the elected office of the chaplaincy. Just this past fiscal year Congress spent about $600,000 in tax dollars on the office of the chaplaincy in terms of salaries. And who knows how much was spent in added chaplain services apart from salaries.

 

And how about chaplains in the military praying and conducting other religious services all the while paid by the same government which, again, supposedly outlaws such a relationship between church and state in the constitution which they (chaplains and others) supposedly are sworn to uphold and obey?

 

The Supreme Court ruled that the chaplaincy in our government is constitutional.

 

Therefore, all three branches of government support the concept of the chaplaincy (mixing church and state), including the legislative by way of our elected members of Congress and the executive, by way of our elected Commander in Chief of the military (President), and the judicial by way of the Supreme Court. So that would mean that all chaplains in the executive and legislative branches as well as all branches of our government are either all in violation of the constitution or they all read the constitution differently.

 

Food for thought:

 

George Washington, in his first inaugural address, 1789:

 

"Such being the impressions under which I have, in obedience to the public summons, repaired to the present station, it would be peculiarly improper to omit, in this first official act, my fervent supplications to that Almighty Being who rules over the universe, who presides in the councils of nations and whose providential aide can supply every human defect, that His benediction may consecrate to the liberties and happiness of the people of the United States a Government instituted by themselves for these essential purposes; and may enable every instrument employed in its administration to execute with success, the functions allotted to his charge."

Edited by Ticochico

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